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  Why do people defend monsters?

  by AK - Jeff in

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  the 'god' of the jw's is a god that will kill billions at armageddon.

  the christian 'god' in general is a god that [according to their own holy book] already killed millions in the ot.

  this 'god' ordered the slaughter of innocent virgins and children and old men and old women so that his people could take the land.

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  THE GLADIATOR

  My above statement is, as it was meant to be, an impersonal generalisation of the search for truth .

  On a more personal note, If there is a supreme intelligence to which we are answerable, I don't think it will be found in any book. There are clues in Zen buddhism, Tao and the Bible. They are just clues, which lead towards a spiritual life. There are also clues in nature which includes the vast galaxies.

  I observe these things with interest. The jury is still out; which means no verdict has been arrived at by me. Due to this there is no guilt or innocence for me to attribute to any monster or God. Jesus has yet to contact me but I am a patient man. Should God ever find me, I have a feeling that she will be most agreeable.
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  Why do people defend monsters?

  by AK - Jeff in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  the 'god' of the jw's is a god that will kill billions at armageddon.

  the christian 'god' in general is a god that [according to their own holy book] already killed millions in the ot.

  this 'god' ordered the slaughter of innocent virgins and children and old men and old women so that his people could take the land.

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  THE GLADIATOR

  Why do people defend monsters?

  The search for truth has occupied man’s thoughts, shaped his dreams, and been the cause of many struggles throughout history. Eternal life has been seen as the ultimate quest since the beginning of time. Religions of the world have sought to show that this goal can only be achieved through belief in a higher being – a supreme spirit.

  In some cases they fear the monster will turn on them if the fail to support it. Others do not see the god of the bible as a monster but as a god of love. Different cultures demand alegience to the god or gods of their holy book.

  Some people steer their way through life by the application of absolute logic. Most do not. There is a deep emotional desire in us to want to believe we are not alone and that this life is just one phase of an eternal journey. The mind is capable of rationalising away all objections, to hold onto the comfort that belief in an all powerful god can provide.
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  Can you explain

  by bobld in

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  when the wtbs says;bethel expansion god's blessing,bethel consolidation god's blessing.. judiciary favorable ruling god's blessing,unfavorable ruling god's blessing.. pray for a court ruling (france/russia).if they win god's bless.if the lose god's bless.is it not the same when football/baseball pray for victory.if the win god blessed them,if they lose god bless them.. b.

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  THE GLADIATOR

  The number of members leaving is seen as proof that we are living in the last days as the Bible states that “the love of the greater number will cool off.” When enough replacements join the organization to swell the number again, the Scripture that says, “Jehovah will speed it up in his own time” is quoted to again prove that these are the last days. Witnesses are expert at finding a verse of Scripture to support any belief they hold. In their eyes, to disagree with them is to contradict the Bible and therefore God.
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  Im afraid Jesus is a myth taken from the Egyptian savior Horus

  by foolsparadise in

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  any thoughts?

  it is the exact same story as jesus only 3000 years earlier.

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  THE GLADIATOR

  Tell that to the muslims killed during the crusades and the witches burned during the inquisition. Christianity has a bloody history.

  It is true that Christianity has a bloody history, full of crusades and killing, as do most mainstream religions. Though not a Christian myself, I am able to separate the acts performed in the name of Christ, from Christians in the present time.

  While not wishing to be an apologist for Christians, a sincere attempt to live by the gentler aspects of Christ's original message can improve peoples lives.
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  Been There, Done That, Please Shut Up!

  by metatron in

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  i read a ton of posts on this site that basically follow the same form: somebody has an argument with a close relative about the "truth" and long, angry e-mails follow thereafter - or heated phone calls - or face to face conversations - and the kitchen sink gets thrown into the mix.. you name it: child molestation, 1914, false prophecy, everything and anything that comes to mind.. no, no, no!

  unless you are really committed to losing your witless family or friends, don't hit them with both barrels while you are angry and upset about a lifetime of being duped by the 'truth'.. here's a piece of ancient wisdom - and it applies regardless of whether you are a an agnostic or atheist:.

  "i have many things yet to say to you but you are not able to bear them at present" john 16:12. yes, that principle of gradualism still works with people.

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  metatron This is excellent advise.

  A few weeks back we had a thread claiming that anyone who knew JWs didn't have 'the truth' and stayed or kept quiet, was a coward and a liar. I disagreed and made my views clear, which were more in line with your tolerant approach.
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  Im afraid Jesus is a myth taken from the Egyptian savior Horus

  by foolsparadise in

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  any thoughts?

  it is the exact same story as jesus only 3000 years earlier.

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  cognizant dissident The problem is that it only inspires such qualities in people who already possessed them.

  This is true to a degree. People tend to admire or follow people that reflect the qualities they have or desire to possess; or use them as scapegoats to do what we want in their name. Jesus has been used as an excuse for many atrocities during the last 2000 years.

  Now that the crusades are over, modern churches tend to dwell on the more positive aspects of Jesus message. From my own experience I find today's Christians an agreeable bunch who look for the best in people.
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  Im afraid Jesus is a myth taken from the Egyptian savior Horus

  by foolsparadise in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  any thoughts?

  it is the exact same story as jesus only 3000 years earlier.

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  THE GLADIATOR

  There have been many legends and characters symbolising the battle between good and evil; or more accurately positive and negative forces.

  Jesus has always been seen as a positive force and associated with light, as opposed to darkness. At present he is seen as a metaphor for kindness, love and hope. If belief in him inspires such qualities, then a positive purpose is served whether he is myth or real.
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  Keeping your nose in the POO

  by Terry in

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  human misery: the default setting in the universe.. .

  we think "everything is okay" is the norm and it isn't.

  not by a long shot.. .

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  THE GLADIATOR

  Terry: How many of us really live in the so-called REAL world all the time?

  We do live in the real world all the time. It as just that sometimes we allow our minds to take a break. We allow our mind to create fantasy and mystery. Or we watch a fictional movie, read a novel, drink some wine. We delude ourselves into thinking we are safe so we can sleep and dream.

  The real world and all its worries will always be there, but our moments of pleasure and escape will one day cease. As will we.
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  Does The Name Really Matter?

  by AGuest in

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  to the household of god, israel, and those who go with... may you have peace!.

  as you know i have, for many years now, related to you that i hear the voice of the fine shepherd, the holy one of israel and holy spirit, jaheshua mischajah.

  over such years i have received many questions and comments, and engaged in various debates regarding the validity of that name.

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  THE GLADIATOR

  notverylikely

  Shelby, truly I have not been drinking.

  You should try it - you might chill out a bit.
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  why i became an athiest after leaving the jehovah's witnesses

  by molly1 in

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  THE GLADIATOR

  Where you gone molly? I will lay awake tonight wondering why you became an atheist after leaving Jehovah's witnesses.